User talk:Leucosticte

Cats CAPTCHA

I've been trying to register on Inclumedia for a dozen times and it won't take the CAPTCHA code. I doubt I mistook even one dog for a cat, let alone a dozen times. --Anime Addict (talk) 16:32, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, I played around with some stuff and got it to work for me. Try it out. Thanks for reporting it, by the way. Tisane (talk) 17:42, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Managed from the first time, thanks! --Anime Addict (talk) 18:21, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

RW

Well, I'm not the only libertarian at RW, it seems. I just found this site through there. --Colonel Sanders (talk) 22:41, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Interesting. A lot of pages are locked. I suppose from vandalism? --Colonel Sanders (talk) 22:46, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Wait

That you? --Anime Addict (talk) 23:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see the name change, I thought they brought their trolls here. --Anime Addict (talk) 23:30, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Crap, I accidentally checked the second box, "Do not create redirects to the new name". Oh, I know. I'll change my name back, and then to this one again. Leucosticte (talk) 00:00, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, that certainly clogged up RecentChanges! Leucosticte (talk) 00:38, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Rational Wiki

I don't think Rational Wiki's problem is being a mobocracy, as you suggested. Sure, that adds, but in a long, long time. A wiki like that was founded with niche, or at least clear delimited purposes: to house rational ideas and rational people. From what I read on that coop discussion page, and albeit it's more of a case study rather than knowing the entire wiki from it, it seems at least half the editors are batshit irrational. Actually, reading those comments gave even more weight to the idea that that place deserves a lot more the name of Irrational Wiki. At least from my point of view, it is completely irrational to have emotional people who'll snap at everything and everyone in a wiki about rational thought, let alone put these in sysop functions. The festering started from letting people like these edit there in the first place, when you have an original, "rational" basis for your wiki. If people have this reaction on "decision making" places, how can I trust they edit articles "rationally"? Wikipedia of course makes things a lot worse, as people are actually asked and given a sysop position based on their moral stance (or so I understand the system). I've thought about technocracy as a viable ruling system, but unfortunately, from the many religious (bordering on fanaticism) people in supposedly rational fields, as well as those with high intelligence and knowledge, but as high bias, this is again going to be flawed by personal bias. Ah, the dangers of being human... --Anime Addict (talk) 02:32, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I still think it's good that RW makes almost every user a sysop. Although there was a major wheel war the other day, the right result ultimately ensued. In both the real world and online, I favor investor/consumer democracy. I haven't seen any system that has equally good or better safeguards and incentives. Leucosticte (talk) 04:41, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

What's wrong with socialism

Parody of socialist anthem "The Internationale" --Colonel Sanders (talk) 18:50, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Tor

Can you please turn off your ToR protection on RationalWikiWikiWiki so I can make an account and edit? Otherwise, on which of your site do you think I should be adding encyclopedia/Wikipedia-like articles to works and notions unwelcomed to the "normals"? --And Zoidberg (talk) 16:51, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Y Done (I think). See if it works; let me know if it doesn't. Leucosticte (talk) 22:00, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks you. It did. --And Zoidberg (talk) 02:30, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Soft hyphen

I've encountered this rather curious bug when someone posted a link to the tropes mirror on YouTube. I first believed it to be Youtube's way of "spam control", but it baffled me that it put it after only the last word, and not, for examples, before /wiki, which would make more sense to break up a link. Then an idea hit me: it's a very revolutionary way to make more articles under the same name and link them all with redirects for convenience. For examples, you have Anime, Anime (Shitler's POV) and Anime (Shitler's POV 2) (ok, so the guy can have more than one POV and more than one article). When clicking each, you'll just read the title... yep, just "Anime". The trick is putting these things in places before or after the word (preferably after, might toss it up somewhere else alphabetically in Special:AllPages. This may be a revolutionary idea especially for wikis, if browsers or search engines won't ban it or freak out on it (the Wikipedia article says browsers might ignore it, or worse, do weird stuff to the page with it; that or I misread). If you could integrate this in Inclupedia, it would solve the language trouble: you'll link for the Romanian article Anime (ro) and redirect it to an anime with a lot of those soft hyphens and you'll be able to host it under a simple display name above. Of course, I don't know how viable or how vulnerable this is, but I think it's worth a try looking into. --Anime Addict (talk) 11:52, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Other than what I previously mentioned, I can forsee some possible issues. Firstly, would MediaWiki upgrades break these articles? I ask because it happened at least once in Wikinfo's history that pages with diacritics in titles simply disappeared, though they continued to exist in the database. They as mysteriously reappeared on another update around 2010. Second, how will users and languages handle this? "First come, first serve"? (That's (relatively) recent Wikinfo policy regarding main namespaces, btw.) Assigned number of Soft hyphens per language, whether they need it or not? Protect redirect links of type Anime (ro) so not to be redirected to unrelated articles without being noticed? --Anime Addict (talk) 12:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

This is the first I've ever dealt with topics like this, so I'm largely ignorant of the issues involved. The soft hyphen method looks a bit ugly and hacky to me. Having said that, I support letting users accomplish stuff by ugly and hacky methods if no other methods are available. It's an interesting question about what would be the convention as far as number of hyphens for each language; since there are so many languages, that could be a lot of hyphens. That's another reason why I say a better method should be be developed; this setup would be pretty awkward to deal with. E.g., suppose you have 200 hyphens. Is a user going to sit there and count them? Granted, templates could be used in some situations.

Is there any reason not to use $wgAllowDisplayTitle for what you're trying to accomplish? I agree that languages are currently not supported as well as they could/should be, but I think the long-term solution is some software development to better support interwiki integration on setups that have one wiki per language. Another suggestion I put forward was to implement langspaces (another level of namespace, except for languages; so the same wiki could have multiple pages with the same title and same namespace, as long as the languages were different).

Actually, I was just thinking about the language issue recently, since we have a lot of pages on RWWW that are in French, and I wanted to import the content from the French and German BoyWikis. So I was pondering how to do that; e.g. should I set it up with subdomains, like de.rationalwikiwikiwiki.org, or have subpages like this? If the latter, then that raises another question, which is how to deal with interlanguage links. With MediaWiki's current deficiencies with regard to interwiki integration (e.g. lack of interwiki watchlists), I think no matter what I do, there will be major drawbacks. To reiterate, we eventually need someone to code a solution that doesn't have all these drawbacks. Leucosticte (talk) 19:56, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

To be fair, I didn't knew about those extensions, they look cool. --Anime Addict (talk) 21:15, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

As for de.rwww, you were always vehement against that. One big wiki sounds good to me, even if we have to implement some ugly hacks or ugly titles (to be honest, the second bother me more). --Anime Addict (talk) 21:15, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, I considered some ways of implementations of this (admittedly, now on second look) ugly hack, and I thought a system could be made, though coding it might take time or be tricky. I was thinking that if anyone writes in the search bar "Anime (de)", the system will recognise the code ("(de)"), extract the word before it ("Anime"), search if "Anime%C2%AD" exists. If it does, it will go on to searching if "Anime%C2%AD%C2%AD" exists and so on, until an adequate name can be found. When found, the editor would be sent to that page. Additionally, he would receive a message based on the language of the parentheses (de) and the editor would be announced something like "You are about to write an article on Anime in German. If you want to continue, just write your text and save it". This would also work for "Anime according to John Smith": they'd get a message saying "You're going to write an article about Anime from the perspective of John Smith. If you're sure you want to continue, go ahead". Of course, these ways to create articles would be explained in some FAQ and the editors directed to use two or three ways for each issue (for example, they'd be encouraged to write in the form of "Article name (language short code)" and "Article according to X". The system would only give these messages if the " (language code)" would be exactly at the end of the string, and not on the middle, or if something else was typed after. If there are better ways of doing this and I'm ignorant about it, I'm sorry. --Anime Addict (talk) 21:15, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm not adamantly against the de.rwww, but I would prefer to use langspaces and wikispaces, e.g. wikipedia:en:Portal:Geography. However, there could actually be (in fact, I know there are) advantages to having a bunch of different databases. And there aren't too many disadvantages. I don't think integrated watchlists and recentchanges will be too hard to implement; I've done it before. And interwiki page existence detection shouldn't be too hard either. Leucosticte (talk) 03:16, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

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